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	<title>Comments on: Elliot Jaques on Workplace Influencing Democracy&#039;s Development</title>
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		<title>By: Al Gorman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Engaging one&#039;s subordinates in many respects is not a natural thing for a manager to do. The managerial systems need to be designed so that engagement is structured. Specifically, one needs to be able to satisfy the questions who, why, where, when and how are subordinates engaged. Engagement and team work should not be confused with merely getting along with others. This is not the fundamental objective. Structured engagement, and strengthening the team is accomplished by centering the engagement around work, work context, task assignment, personal effectiveness reviews and coaching. This is where trust is established, where people are afforded the opportunity to apply their full potential capability, and where engagement is structured to occur.

I am not a fan of the democratic approach that Brown advocated where workers are capable of voting their managers out. Management is not a popularity contest and any attempt to have workers decide who their manager should be is clearly not requisite. An effective manager will over time be recognized by his or her subordinates for the strength of his or her requisite managerial practices however a majority &quot;democratic&quot; vote by workers sanctioning their confidence in their manager is neither requsiite nor systematic. It places the issue back in the realm of people and not systems so inasmuch as Brown and Jaques may have differed on this point Jaques was correct. To promote that the Glacier model would foster more trust is naive.

Insofar as democracies are concerned it is important to acknowledge that freedom only resides within well formulated societal structure. No individual can be free unless he or she understands the boundaries of society. Trust, like freedom, cannot be established in a lawless society and it is the fundamental rights and freedoms of the individual that denote a strong society and not the will of the majority.

The fundamental purposes for democracy and requisite organizations are idealistically the same. In each case the manager, or the legislator, should be focused on the creation of conditions which allow for the contituent to reach his or her full potential capability. Rarely do either focus so succinctly on that purpose.</description>
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<p>I am not a fan of the democratic approach that Brown advocated where workers are capable of voting their managers out. Management is not a popularity contest and any attempt to have workers decide who their manager should be is clearly not requisite. An effective manager will over time be recognized by his or her subordinates for the strength of his or her requisite managerial practices however a majority &#8220;democratic&#8221; vote by workers sanctioning their confidence in their manager is neither requsiite nor systematic. It places the issue back in the realm of people and not systems so inasmuch as Brown and Jaques may have differed on this point Jaques was correct. To promote that the Glacier model would foster more trust is naive.</p>
<p>Insofar as democracies are concerned it is important to acknowledge that freedom only resides within well formulated societal structure. No individual can be free unless he or she understands the boundaries of society. Trust, like freedom, cannot be established in a lawless society and it is the fundamental rights and freedoms of the individual that denote a strong society and not the will of the majority.</p>
<p>The fundamental purposes for democracy and requisite organizations are idealistically the same. In each case the manager, or the legislator, should be focused on the creation of conditions which allow for the contituent to reach his or her full potential capability. Rarely do either focus so succinctly on that purpose.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Forrest Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forrest Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have my old personal blog address, I will be blogging notes from my readings this week there. Raw stuff before I try and get it into the sprawling mess that will be this week.</description>
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