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	<title>Comments on: 7 Decision Making Approaches: IMAGINIST / INTUITIONIST</title>
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		<title>By: Forrest Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forrest Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of the work on the decision approaches predates any Jaques influence -- Jimmy Algie first published six approaches in the mid-1970s and I don&#039;t think he knew EJ at the time. Warren was the one who made them hierarchical, and I suspect that &quot;General Theory of Bureaucracy&quot; was influential on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the work on the decision approaches predates any Jaques influence &#8212; Jimmy Algie first published six approaches in the mid-1970s and I don&#8217;t think he knew EJ at the time. Warren was the one who made them hierarchical, and I suspect that &#8220;General Theory of Bureaucracy&#8221; was influential on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Piercy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Piercy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alicia, Forrest - thanks for clearing the link between the two up.  I listened to Warren&#039;s GO Society 2007 Conference presentation where he stated that Jacques work had inspired the levels of Decision Style - but I couldn&#039;t see the direct connection.  I&#039;d not come across Q Levels before; something I&#039;ll catch up through your blog Alicia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alicia, Forrest &#8211; thanks for clearing the link between the two up.  I listened to Warren&#8217;s GO Society 2007 Conference presentation where he stated that Jacques work had inspired the levels of Decision Style &#8211; but I couldn&#8217;t see the direct connection.  I&#8217;d not come across Q Levels before; something I&#8217;ll catch up through your blog Alicia.</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia Parr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia Parr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,
Sorry for the delayed response.  There was some background communication going on to make sure I&#039;ve got the The theory regarding any relationship between decision system and LoW is not fully developed, although Stan Smith has some well thought out opinions on the topic.  The levels of work 1-7 align with the 7 fundamantal questions which share common characteristics w/ the 7 decision systems.
Stan sees the Questions (or Q Levels) as the intersection between Levels of Work and Decision Styles.  Each Question (What, How, Who/When, Which, Why, Whether, Where, in order of increasing complexity) has an inherent time span required for thorough consideration.  The Q Levels also share themes and characteristics w/ the 7 Decision Styles.
Having said that, it is believed that any Decision Style may be used to address any fundamental question (or problem at a particular LoW), although some Decision Styles may be better suited for a particular Q Level (or scope of problem) than others.
In general, personal preferences, including preferences to use a particular Decision Style before others or in certain instances, do more to color an individual&#039;s approach than does his/her LoW capacity.
In the end, Decision Styles are tools in our &quot;dealing with life toolbox.&quot;   There is not a better or worse style, although there are better/worse styles to be used in a particular context.  We tend to be more  highly skilled and/or trained in using some of these tools over others, but with consistent and focused efforts, that can be changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>Sorry for the delayed response.  There was some background communication going on to make sure I&#8217;ve got the The theory regarding any relationship between decision system and LoW is not fully developed, although Stan Smith has some well thought out opinions on the topic.  The levels of work 1-7 align with the 7 fundamantal questions which share common characteristics w/ the 7 decision systems.  </p>
<p>Stan sees the Questions (or Q Levels) as the intersection between Levels of Work and Decision Styles.  Each Question (What, How, Who/When, Which, Why, Whether, Where, in order of increasing complexity) has an inherent time span required for thorough consideration.  The Q Levels also share themes and characteristics w/ the 7 Decision Styles.  </p>
<p>Having said that, it is believed that any Decision Style may be used to address any fundamental question (or problem at a particular LoW), although some Decision Styles may be better suited for a particular Q Level (or scope of problem) than others.</p>
<p>In general, personal preferences, including preferences to use a particular Decision Style before others or in certain instances, do more to color an individual&#8217;s approach than does his/her LoW capacity.  </p>
<p>In the end, Decision Styles are tools in our &#8220;dealing with life toolbox.&#8221;   There is not a better or worse style, although there are better/worse styles to be used in a particular context.  We tend to be more  highly skilled and/or trained in using some of these tools over others, but with consistent and focused efforts, that can be changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Forrest Christian</title>
		<link>http://www.manasclerk.com/blog/2010/01/20/7-decision-making-approaches-imaginist-intuitionist/#comment-29715</link>
		<dc:creator>Forrest Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s not a direct correlation, although Stan Smith has speculated a link. (Alicia should explain, if she thinks it&#039;s right at this stage of development.) Warren doesn’t tie them. It&#039;s like the seven approaches to ethical choice: you can be at a high work level in an business but use an ethical choice approach at the bottom of the hierarchy.
I think that Warren and Jimmy&#039;s description of Systemicist is colored by the fact that he was writing for a Systems Theory journal. It&#039;s hard to imagine some regular Joe using that approach, but it really should be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s not a direct correlation, although Stan Smith has speculated a link. (Alicia should explain, if she thinks it&#8217;s right at this stage of development.) Warren doesn’t tie them. It&#8217;s like the seven approaches to ethical choice: you can be at a high work level in an business but use an ethical choice approach at the bottom of the hierarchy. </p>
<p>I think that Warren and Jimmy&#8217;s description of Systemicist is colored by the fact that he was writing for a Systems Theory journal. It&#8217;s hard to imagine some regular Joe using that approach, but it really should be there.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Piercy</title>
		<link>http://www.manasclerk.com/blog/2010/01/20/7-decision-making-approaches-imaginist-intuitionist/#comment-29713</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Piercy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a direct correlation between level of decision system and Levels of Work?  I.e. If you have a strong preference for the Systemic decision system you would be a Level 5?  I&#039;ve looked through some of Warren&#039;s material and can&#039;t find a direct answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a direct correlation between level of decision system and Levels of Work?  I.e. If you have a strong preference for the Systemic decision system you would be a Level 5?  I&#8217;ve looked through some of Warren&#8217;s material and can&#8217;t find a direct answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Forrest Christian</title>
		<link>http://www.manasclerk.com/blog/2010/01/20/7-decision-making-approaches-imaginist-intuitionist/#comment-29710</link>
		<dc:creator>Forrest Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pragmatist to Imaginist is possible (all combinations  are) but it seems unlikely that you would use both at once. I have a strong switch in my HP (&quot;Coaching and enabling others&quot; goes from  1.29 in proactive to -2.07 in reactive) which is probably indicative of a switch from Imaginist. Something my middle schoolers in the youth group noticed, not surprisingly.
We&#039;re all colored by our experiences. I can&#039;t fathom using Imaginist in a crisis, but that may be a result of the types of crises that I have faced at as a kid and later at work. But it&#039;s probably just how things are for all of us. Upon reflection, it&#039;s clear that Imaginist could work in many reactive situations, perhaps even the ones that I&#039;ve been in.
I&#039;ve faced too much of the degenerate side of Pragmatist management, obviously. Small companies are riddled with them. Pragmatist is the only phase in Organizational Culture that you go through more than once during the org&#039;s maturity. Dynamism is the highest form of corp. culture, and it&#039;s a very advanced form of Pragmatist. I&#039;ll deal with Pragmatist at some point later.
OBTW, Imaginist is the highest level of decision system, I think because Imaginists create something unseen and undreamed before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pragmatist to Imaginist is possible (all combinations  are) but it seems unlikely that you would use both at once. I have a strong switch in my HP (&#8220;Coaching and enabling others&#8221; goes from  1.29 in proactive to -2.07 in reactive) which is probably indicative of a switch from Imaginist. Something my middle schoolers in the youth group noticed, not surprisingly.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re all colored by our experiences. I can&#8217;t fathom using Imaginist in a crisis, but that may be a result of the types of crises that I have faced at as a kid and later at work. But it&#8217;s probably just how things are for all of us. Upon reflection, it&#8217;s clear that Imaginist could work in many reactive situations, perhaps even the ones that I&#8217;ve been in. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve faced too much of the degenerate side of Pragmatist management, obviously. Small companies are riddled with them. Pragmatist is the only phase in Organizational Culture that you go through more than once during the org&#8217;s maturity. Dynamism is the highest form of corp. culture, and it&#8217;s a very advanced form of Pragmatist. I&#8217;ll deal with Pragmatist at some point later.</p>
<p>OBTW, Imaginist is the highest level of decision system, I think because Imaginists create something unseen and undreamed before.</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia Parr</title>
		<link>http://www.manasclerk.com/blog/2010/01/20/7-decision-making-approaches-imaginist-intuitionist/#comment-29709</link>
		<dc:creator>Alicia Parr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you thought about whether a decision approach preference could switch between familiar conditions and pressured conditions (as is the case in some people for preferences measured by the Human Patterns assessment)?  On that topic, I&#039;d like to share a personal anecdote because I&#039;m self-centered that way and/or learn complicated things best by applying them to an area of existing expertise (i.e., myself).
For familiar things, pragmatism is a clear preference for me.  If I&#039;m pressed into a reactive state, imaginist (supportive catalyst) feels more likely.  Yet, in your reference to pragmatists in this post, it sounds as though my reactive self would &quot;hate&quot; my proactive self, but that&#039;s not the case at all.  I find using imaginist approaches very practical when pure pragmatism isn&#039;t getting results.  So maybe this is a case of primary preference and secondary preference?  You tell me.
Anyway, don&#039;t hate on us pragmatists.   We aren&#039;t all out to get you.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you thought about whether a decision approach preference could switch between familiar conditions and pressured conditions (as is the case in some people for preferences measured by the Human Patterns assessment)?  On that topic, I&#8217;d like to share a personal anecdote because I&#8217;m self-centered that way and/or learn complicated things best by applying them to an area of existing expertise (i.e., myself).  </p>
<p>For familiar things, pragmatism is a clear preference for me.  If I&#8217;m pressed into a reactive state, imaginist (supportive catalyst) feels more likely.  Yet, in your reference to pragmatists in this post, it sounds as though my reactive self would &#8220;hate&#8221; my proactive self, but that&#8217;s not the case at all.  I find using imaginist approaches very practical when pure pragmatism isn&#8217;t getting results.  So maybe this is a case of primary preference and secondary preference?  You tell me.</p>
<p>Anyway, don&#8217;t hate on us pragmatists.   We aren&#8217;t all out to get you.  <img src='http://www.manasclerk.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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